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		<title>By: Bay Area Tremors, part 2 - Blake Street Bulletin &#187; Blake Street Bulletin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay Area Tremors, part 2 - Blake Street Bulletin &#187; Blake Street Bulletin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 14:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] but also at the bottom of the league in fan attendance. Their closer, Chris Perez, recently called the fans out for not coming to their beautiful ballpark (and for booing him when they do), then challenged them [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but also at the bottom of the league in fan attendance. Their closer, Chris Perez, recently called the fans out for not coming to their beautiful ballpark (and for booing him when they do), then challenged them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 05:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, one thing is for sure, you don&#039;t know a whole hell of a lot about what makes the business end of the franchise tick.  The Indians make more money than just about any team in Major League Baseball.  The Dolans also control the TV revenue as they own STO.  Cleveland &quot;deserves&quot; to have the teams we do because we built them all state of the art facilities and support them all the point of profitability.

By your logic, any city with a team that has the lowest attendance doesn&#039;t &quot;deserve&quot; a team.  Well, there&#039;s one of those every year.  Do you propose that each team in that position move to a place where they would be more appreciated?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one thing is for sure, you don&#8217;t know a whole hell of a lot about what makes the business end of the franchise tick.  The Indians make more money than just about any team in Major League Baseball.  The Dolans also control the TV revenue as they own STO.  Cleveland &#8220;deserves&#8221; to have the teams we do because we built them all state of the art facilities and support them all the point of profitability.</p>
<p>By your logic, any city with a team that has the lowest attendance doesn&#8217;t &#8220;deserve&#8221; a team.  Well, there&#8217;s one of those every year.  Do you propose that each team in that position move to a place where they would be more appreciated?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jo</title>
		<link>http://itspronouncedlajaway.com/?p=3955#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 21:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Tribe is in last place BECAUSE of the time of year!!!  Over a season it balances out most years.  And someone from Cols has a lot to say about team spirit.  (Personal aside here:  The very first time I drove into Cols the &quot;Welcome to Columbus&quot; sign along I-71 was immediately followed by a dead pig carcass in the  median, although my hubby - proud alum of THE OSU - still calls it a Cow Town.)

Cols is a college-sport town.  How well does the PROF. hockey team do there?  Let&#039;s compare them (both sports have 30 teams) against the Tribe since 2001.  

Bluejackets (venue seats 18,144 in a climate-controlled environment) ranked: 2001, 12th; 2002, 8th; 2003, 11th; 2004, 15th;  2005-missing; 2006, 17th; 2008, 28th; 2009 (playoff year), 25th; 2010, 22th, 2011, 27th.

Tribe (open-air venue built 1994, current capacity 43,429) ranked:  2001 (Central Div. champ), 4h; 2002 (rebuild #1), 12th; 2003, 24th; 2004, 25th; 2005, 24th; 2006, 25th; 2007 (Central Div. champ), 21st; 2008 (CC traded, begin rebuild #2), 22; 2009 (Lee traded), 25th; 2010 (the Fans speak), 30th; 2011, 24th.

By the time the Tribe was starting to play poorly/trade popular players the bloom was off the rose known as the NEW Jacobs Field.  In spite of that the Tribe has had larger average crowds in its worse year (2010, 17,435) than the Bluejackets had just a year after they made the playoffs (2010, 13,658).

When the Columbus populous can start filling up Nationwide Arena for the majority of the Bluejackets games is the day you can start throwing stones at the Tribe fans and their willingness to pay for venue seating to Tribe games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tribe is in last place BECAUSE of the time of year!!!  Over a season it balances out most years.  And someone from Cols has a lot to say about team spirit.  (Personal aside here:  The very first time I drove into Cols the &#8220;Welcome to Columbus&#8221; sign along I-71 was immediately followed by a dead pig carcass in the  median, although my hubby &#8211; proud alum of THE OSU &#8211; still calls it a Cow Town.)</p>
<p>Cols is a college-sport town.  How well does the PROF. hockey team do there?  Let&#8217;s compare them (both sports have 30 teams) against the Tribe since 2001.  </p>
<p>Bluejackets (venue seats 18,144 in a climate-controlled environment) ranked: 2001, 12th; 2002, 8th; 2003, 11th; 2004, 15th;  2005-missing; 2006, 17th; 2008, 28th; 2009 (playoff year), 25th; 2010, 22th, 2011, 27th.</p>
<p>Tribe (open-air venue built 1994, current capacity 43,429) ranked:  2001 (Central Div. champ), 4h; 2002 (rebuild #1), 12th; 2003, 24th; 2004, 25th; 2005, 24th; 2006, 25th; 2007 (Central Div. champ), 21st; 2008 (CC traded, begin rebuild #2), 22; 2009 (Lee traded), 25th; 2010 (the Fans speak), 30th; 2011, 24th.</p>
<p>By the time the Tribe was starting to play poorly/trade popular players the bloom was off the rose known as the NEW Jacobs Field.  In spite of that the Tribe has had larger average crowds in its worse year (2010, 17,435) than the Bluejackets had just a year after they made the playoffs (2010, 13,658).</p>
<p>When the Columbus populous can start filling up Nationwide Arena for the majority of the Bluejackets games is the day you can start throwing stones at the Tribe fans and their willingness to pay for venue seating to Tribe games.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 17:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Now with all that being said, is Chris Perez justified in his remarks? Not entirely. The Indians are now a 1st place team yes, but they are not a great team yet. The stats tell the tale, they are an above average team with potential.&quot;   

You are absolutely correct that they are not a great team yet.  But shouldn&#039;t an above average team at least have average attendance? No?  What about below average attendance, is that still ok? But we don&#039;t have either of those.  No, we have LAST PLACE ATTENDANCE.  We don&#039;t have a last place team so there is NO reason why we should have last place attendance and that falls on the fans in Cleveland.  If the fans in Cleveland don&#039;t want to try to get their attendance to match on field performance then the team should move.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now with all that being said, is Chris Perez justified in his remarks? Not entirely. The Indians are now a 1st place team yes, but they are not a great team yet. The stats tell the tale, they are an above average team with potential.&#8221;   </p>
<p>You are absolutely correct that they are not a great team yet.  But shouldn&#8217;t an above average team at least have average attendance? No?  What about below average attendance, is that still ok? But we don&#8217;t have either of those.  No, we have LAST PLACE ATTENDANCE.  We don&#8217;t have a last place team so there is NO reason why we should have last place attendance and that falls on the fans in Cleveland.  If the fans in Cleveland don&#8217;t want to try to get their attendance to match on field performance then the team should move.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes deserve, btw I am an Indians fan, but as someone who grew up in Columbus, I have no ties to the city.  Here is the thing, you aren&#039;t entitled to sports teams in your city.  The only reason someone can point to why Cleveland has three sports teams is because of the large metropolitan area around, which would indicate attendance.  But if the city posts the lowest attendance, compared to worse teams with lower populations, like Kansas City, Pittsburgh, or Oakland, then YES, YOU DON&#039;T DESERVE TO HAVE A TEAM.  I can be an Indians fan out of Columbus if they moved to Memphis(not that it will happen) as opposed to Cleveland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes deserve, btw I am an Indians fan, but as someone who grew up in Columbus, I have no ties to the city.  Here is the thing, you aren&#8217;t entitled to sports teams in your city.  The only reason someone can point to why Cleveland has three sports teams is because of the large metropolitan area around, which would indicate attendance.  But if the city posts the lowest attendance, compared to worse teams with lower populations, like Kansas City, Pittsburgh, or Oakland, then YES, YOU DON&#8217;T DESERVE TO HAVE A TEAM.  I can be an Indians fan out of Columbus if they moved to Memphis(not that it will happen) as opposed to Cleveland.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too was there when the Crunch and the Dynamic Duo won the indoor soccer championship. I still remember the sold out Convo and John Adams beating his drum during that game. As a matter of fact, I was at most Crunch/Force games when indoor soccer was a part of Cleveland and most of Cleveland didn&#039;t even know indoor soccer existed. During the great run the Tribe had in the 90&#039;s, when the team was an offensive powerhouse, I was downtown for every home game. The city and the fans were electric and it was such a great time to be in Cleveland as far as sports go. I still remember how great it was eliminating the Yankees in game 4 of the division series and we, the fans, stayed in the ballpark for over an hour after the game celebrating as if we won the World Series. 

However, I also &#039;witnessed&#039; the Drive, the Fumble, the demolition of Municipal Stadium, Mr. Mesa, the Red Sox debacle, and the Decision. All of which were gut wrenching experiences. Has this soured me on Cleveland sports? NO! Everyday the TV is tuned to STO to watch the Tribe and if a television isn&#039;t available you can be sure the radio is tuned in. Do the fans of Cleveland owe anything to the city&#039;s sports teams? Absolutely not! We are here, we have always been here! Through thick and thin, pain and suffering, joy and excitement, through it all! 

Now with all that being said, is Chris Perez justified in his remarks? Not entirely. The Indians are now a 1st place team yes, but they are not a great team yet. The stats tell the tale, they are an above average team with potential. It is great to see a player that cares though, so kuddos to you Mr. Perez and I like his confidence. But the team this year still needs to gain the confidence of the city after the tremendous break down last year. Yes, injuries played a part but it was still painful after such a great start. 

The best part of all this, and we can attribute this to Chris as well, is the contorversy of it all. By making just a few remarks, Chris has brought more attention to the team and created more interest, than the entire organization has through marketing them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was there when the Crunch and the Dynamic Duo won the indoor soccer championship. I still remember the sold out Convo and John Adams beating his drum during that game. As a matter of fact, I was at most Crunch/Force games when indoor soccer was a part of Cleveland and most of Cleveland didn&#8217;t even know indoor soccer existed. During the great run the Tribe had in the 90&#8242;s, when the team was an offensive powerhouse, I was downtown for every home game. The city and the fans were electric and it was such a great time to be in Cleveland as far as sports go. I still remember how great it was eliminating the Yankees in game 4 of the division series and we, the fans, stayed in the ballpark for over an hour after the game celebrating as if we won the World Series. </p>
<p>However, I also &#8216;witnessed&#8217; the Drive, the Fumble, the demolition of Municipal Stadium, Mr. Mesa, the Red Sox debacle, and the Decision. All of which were gut wrenching experiences. Has this soured me on Cleveland sports? NO! Everyday the TV is tuned to STO to watch the Tribe and if a television isn&#8217;t available you can be sure the radio is tuned in. Do the fans of Cleveland owe anything to the city&#8217;s sports teams? Absolutely not! We are here, we have always been here! Through thick and thin, pain and suffering, joy and excitement, through it all! </p>
<p>Now with all that being said, is Chris Perez justified in his remarks? Not entirely. The Indians are now a 1st place team yes, but they are not a great team yet. The stats tell the tale, they are an above average team with potential. It is great to see a player that cares though, so kuddos to you Mr. Perez and I like his confidence. But the team this year still needs to gain the confidence of the city after the tremendous break down last year. Yes, injuries played a part but it was still painful after such a great start. </p>
<p>The best part of all this, and we can attribute this to Chris as well, is the contorversy of it all. By making just a few remarks, Chris has brought more attention to the team and created more interest, than the entire organization has through marketing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 14:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Headed to the Jake for the first time today since 1994. (I live out of the area and it is easier to go to away games). So glad I am getting to see Rick Porcello against Ubaldo Jimenez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headed to the Jake for the first time today since 1994. (I live out of the area and it is easier to go to away games). So glad I am getting to see Rick Porcello against Ubaldo Jimenez.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Tozzi</title>
		<link>http://itspronouncedlajaway.com/?p=3955#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Tozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 11:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points, Susan and I love the Jonestown analogy. Perez should be reminded that last year&#039;s team started 30-15 and finished 80-82. Tribe fans got excited only to see the club go 50-67 after a great start.

Note to Perez: I love your passion, Chris and I&#039;m glad that you care. The reality is this: 1948 and in the big picture of Cleveland sports, 1964. If you don&#039;t understand this then you need to ask somebody. Fans in this town have nothing to prove to their teams. The teams have something to prove to us. How about a championship? I was at the Convo to watch the Crunch, an indoor soccer team, win one in 1994 and I fear that will be the only one I witness. By the way, Chris, &quot;witness&quot; is a painful word in this town. Former Browns GM Phil Savage said that Cleveland fans had to give up their &quot;woe is me&quot; attitudes. (Let me add Phil to this note). Hey, Phil which fan base am I talking about:

A) Most of the teams are terrible or terribly average and the teams which contend for championships lose in the playoffs in the most horrific ways imaginable
B) Football team moved, came back and is perpetually pathetic...the fans still show up anyway!
C) The MVP of the NBA, the best player in the world who is playing for his hometown team, quits in the playoffs and then announces on national television that he is &quot;taking his talents to South Beach&quot;

Here&#039;s a hint: The answers to A-C are the same. All of this happened in the same town! How delightful!!!

The answer is Cleveland, Chris and Phil, so you&#039;re lucky we still care. The real fans are on The Nortcoast not South Beach.

-Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Susan and I love the Jonestown analogy. Perez should be reminded that last year&#8217;s team started 30-15 and finished 80-82. Tribe fans got excited only to see the club go 50-67 after a great start.</p>
<p>Note to Perez: I love your passion, Chris and I&#8217;m glad that you care. The reality is this: 1948 and in the big picture of Cleveland sports, 1964. If you don&#8217;t understand this then you need to ask somebody. Fans in this town have nothing to prove to their teams. The teams have something to prove to us. How about a championship? I was at the Convo to watch the Crunch, an indoor soccer team, win one in 1994 and I fear that will be the only one I witness. By the way, Chris, &#8220;witness&#8221; is a painful word in this town. Former Browns GM Phil Savage said that Cleveland fans had to give up their &#8220;woe is me&#8221; attitudes. (Let me add Phil to this note). Hey, Phil which fan base am I talking about:</p>
<p>A) Most of the teams are terrible or terribly average and the teams which contend for championships lose in the playoffs in the most horrific ways imaginable<br />
B) Football team moved, came back and is perpetually pathetic&#8230;the fans still show up anyway!<br />
C) The MVP of the NBA, the best player in the world who is playing for his hometown team, quits in the playoffs and then announces on national television that he is &#8220;taking his talents to South Beach&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a hint: The answers to A-C are the same. All of this happened in the same town! How delightful!!!</p>
<p>The answer is Cleveland, Chris and Phil, so you&#8217;re lucky we still care. The real fans are on The Nortcoast not South Beach.</p>
<p>-Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deserve?  Please.  The current ownership makes more money off of the fans that do show up (at the very worst, 1.4 million during a 90+ loss season) than most other teams.  This is all being done to maximize Larry/Paul Dolan&#039;s take.  They have more than double the people showing up to watch than they usually did for the 3 decades pre-dating the 1990s.  From 1960 through 1985 they were LUCKY to draw a million people during a time when the games were actually affordable for most people.  Terrible fans are the ones to stupid to know when they&#039;re being had.  Cleveland&#039;s fans know what&#039;s up and are voting with their wallets.

Now Kevin, I see some veiled pining for the moving of the team.  I regret to inform you that this can&#039;t happen for at least 13 more seasons.  I also regret to inform you that whatever city you&#039;re shilling for has a better chance at getting an expansion team than they do the Indians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deserve?  Please.  The current ownership makes more money off of the fans that do show up (at the very worst, 1.4 million during a 90+ loss season) than most other teams.  This is all being done to maximize Larry/Paul Dolan&#8217;s take.  They have more than double the people showing up to watch than they usually did for the 3 decades pre-dating the 1990s.  From 1960 through 1985 they were LUCKY to draw a million people during a time when the games were actually affordable for most people.  Terrible fans are the ones to stupid to know when they&#8217;re being had.  Cleveland&#8217;s fans know what&#8217;s up and are voting with their wallets.</p>
<p>Now Kevin, I see some veiled pining for the moving of the team.  I regret to inform you that this can&#8217;t happen for at least 13 more seasons.  I also regret to inform you that whatever city you&#8217;re shilling for has a better chance at getting an expansion team than they do the Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every team outsold the Indians.  Every other team.  Yet people continue to make excuses like the weather, economy, past record, owner&#039;s spending, or a damn football oriented town, but NO ONE wants to play in front of a crowd of only 10,000.  If as a city Cleveland cannot show up to the games when the team is doing well then they flat out don&#039;t deserve to have a Baseball team.  If this is the case then the owners have no duty to stay in town and actually should move. Go prove me wrong and show up to the games, but stop making excuses and setting arbitrary benchmarks, it just makes you look like a terrible fan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every team outsold the Indians.  Every other team.  Yet people continue to make excuses like the weather, economy, past record, owner&#8217;s spending, or a damn football oriented town, but NO ONE wants to play in front of a crowd of only 10,000.  If as a city Cleveland cannot show up to the games when the team is doing well then they flat out don&#8217;t deserve to have a Baseball team.  If this is the case then the owners have no duty to stay in town and actually should move. Go prove me wrong and show up to the games, but stop making excuses and setting arbitrary benchmarks, it just makes you look like a terrible fan.</p>
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